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Perusing Comic Com trailers on youtube last night and found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2vCCGri8EY

πŸ˜ƒ 😍 🀩

I am in and heaven!!

But why isn't this a series??? 😭

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@crcollins Hopefully, we won't see 'forced' DEI, killing the story in the process.

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@Deus

I'm sorry, I'm confused. What do you mean?

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@crcollins

The term "forced DEI" in movies refers to the perception that diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives are being artificially or unnaturally imposed in films. This often involves criticism that movies are including characters of diverse races, genders, sexual orientations, or other underrepresented groups in ways that feel tokenistic or driven by political correctness rather than organic storytelling.

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@Deus

Ah, ok. Thanks. Being respectful is important. I guess we'll see how the film turns out. Most stories don't require a certain race, etc, as plots are focused elsewhere. Particularly in action or scifi. The roles should go to whoever auditions best. Michelle Yeoh can act circles around most actors, in my opinion, & has already developed a great character on Discovery.

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Fahim Farook

Edited 3 months ago
@Deus But isn't "forced DEI" also a POV thing? People of a certain race/group might feel that they are under-represented, or people of a race/group who were over-represented previously might feel that they are sidelined because a previously sidelined group is now given prominence.

None of this has anything to do with "Star Trek" (IMO, of course) since "Star Trek" is about inclusion. So why kwetch about the very thing that is a cornerstone of the franchise? πŸ˜›

@crcollins
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@f @Deus

Absolutely. I don't have the post character allotment to say all I wanted to on that topic, but POV is critical. Certain people think *any* representation that's not them is too much.

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@f @crcollins

But isn't "forced DEI" also a POV thing?

Not really. Think of how it would've ended if the producers of Shogun forced some Black samurai as one of the pirates πŸ‘€ They stuck to the story line and prioritized narrative integrity instead of representation. We all know it ended very well for the show.

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@Deus @crcollins My friend, did The Original Series appear organic to you?

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@alltherum @Deus

I grew up with the original series. I was a child in the 60s, no thought was given to such concepts as 'organic.' But I loved the diversity aspect--not that I understood that word either. πŸ˜† The show portrayed so many different people & stories outside my personal experience, & I loved that. And acceptance was stressed, which I approved, as a bullied kid.

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@Deus @f

The story in your example centered on a certain culture, which does make a difference. (although it's still fiction, so one could make a case for a black samurai. There was a popular TV show with a white samurai.) A huge number of stories, particularly in scifi, don't have that restriction. Even fantasy set in other worlds. But you see a lot of people complaining about casting in those stories.

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@Deus And your point is that "Star Trek", which is all about inclusion, should stick to certain races/groups and not force inclusivity? Or something else?

I'm failing to grasp your point with regards to how this is supposed to work for "Star Trek". Care to explain further?
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@f Some of us skip such movies/shows. That is all. Have a good day.

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Fahim Farook

Edited 3 months ago
@Deus I am not sure "which" movies you categorize as "such" but I hope you have a great day too.
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@crcollins

Star Trek: Heist is what I'm seeing and... MORE. BEAM IT INTO MY LIVING ROOM!

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